Will 2012 be the start of a 7 year famine?
WhisperFox of another forum posted the following insight regarding President Hinckley’s 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine and the year 2012. He alludes that the year 2012 will be the year the famine begins. For a variety of reasons I agree with his conclusion.
What are your thoughts about the possibility of the year 2012 as the beginning year of a famine?
WhisperFox
The answer is 7 and 2012, now if we just knew the right question.
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7 years ago …
1998, October conference, President Hinckley gave a talk in general priesthood meeting warning priesthood holders to get their houses in order, focusing mainly on financial matters, using the biblical story of Pharoahs dream of 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famne.
7 years later …
2005, October conference, President Hinckley gave a talk in general priesthood meeting warning priesthood holders to get their houses in order, focusing mainly of food storage and emergency prepardness, referencing in his talk his comments before about Pharoah’s dream of 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine.
7 years from now two interesting things occur….
2012, December 23rd, the Mayan calendar ends (or better ends it’s major cycle) This calendar was begun in about 3114 BC and can still predict all the eclipes’ of this solar system to the day. It ends Dec. 23rd, 2012.
2012, the Great Pyramid of Cheop’s, thought by many to be a giant stone calendar of the history of the world. The great corridor calendar has managed to show each major event in the history of the world, even though it was built before 2,000 BC. It ends in 2012.
The answer for today’s Jeopardy daily double is “7″ and “2012″
What is the question?
As we all know, President Hinckley is very educated and is very adept at the use of the English language. In the talk in 1998 and in 2005 he used the word “portent”. Lets take a look at the definitions of “portent”.
Quote:Dictionary.com
Main Entry: por•tent
1 : something that foreshadows a coming event : OMEN
2 : prophetic indication or significance
3 : MARVEL, PRODIGY
Quote:Meriam Websters
por•tent n.
1. An indication of something important or calamitous about to occur; an omen.
2. Prophetic or threatening significance: signs full of portent.
3. Something amazing or marvelous; a prodigy.
From 1998
Quote:Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.
So many of our people are living on the very edge of their incomes. In fact, some are living on borrowings.
We have witnessed in recent weeks wide and fearsome swings in the markets of the world. The economy is a fragile thing. A stumble in the economy in Jakarta or Moscow can immediately affect the entire world. It can eventually reach down to each of us as individuals. There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which we had better give heed.
In 2005 he said;
Quote:How portentous are the words of revelation found in the 88th section of the Doctrine and Covenants concerning the calamities that should befall after the testimonies of the elders. The Lord says:
“For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand.
“And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.
“And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people” (D&C 88:89–91).
I believe he was trying to warn us with the use of the word “portent”. Those with ears to hear, hear.
Posted on January 11, 2006, in Mormonism/LDS Church. Bookmark the permalink. 32 Comments.
An option that you might be overlooking.
1998 – 2005 = 7 years
2005 – 20012 = 7 years
Maybe we just finished the 7 years of plenty and are now just starting the 7 years of famine…
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I’d have to agree. My financial struggle has become infinately worse in recent years. Seven years ago $10.00 an hour was a good wage. I was doing well. Now it may as well be minumum wage. 2012 may not be the absolute end of the world, but I think that the famine’s already started, and that things are only going to get worse from here.
Personally I think that we’ll be hit by an asteroid in 2012. That the alignment of the planet with the Sun and the Dark Rift (the center of the Milkyway) will cause a magnetic chain reaction which will pull a massive asteroid in that would have otehrwised missed us… Oh yeah and the planet’s poles will switch in the process too. It’ll be the ultimate desaster, but my heart tells me there will be survivors. People tend to forget that the doomsday prophecy precededs the 2nd comming. After all the chaos has settled Jesus comes back to set the world right and eliminate the last remaning pockets of the wicked.
Meaning, we better get our affairs in order, like the Prophet said. Physically and spiritually because some pretty bad stuff is about to happen, whether or not the 7 years of famine is now, or 2012.
the sad truth is the parable of the ten virgins, even in the Church, only half will be ready. who is really storing up anything? does anyone know how these days? it got pretty bad in egypt. how many times does the Word say to “watch, and be ready?” i dont even know that i am…
The mayan’s predict that the end of the cycle will end on Dec. 21st 2012, in your page you put dec 23rd. probably just a simple misstake. No worries.
Depends on who you ask, I’ve seen it range from Dec 19 to Dec 30. The problem is nailing down days on a calendar that goes multiple thousands of years.
Personally I thought that God would never tell us a date of when the world would end therefore how can we be so sure 2012 is the right date? I think you need to have more faith in God with this subject, and if its going to happen, just let it happen. why worry over something you can’t control? p.s. if the world does end what does the point in being financially stable matter if money won’t even mean anything when it happens?…
yeah, it’s just like the Fallout games. Real money’s gone, but bottle caps aren’t!
If the famine is coming this year or in 2012 it will not be the end of the world but the beginning of many ancient prophecies. There is still much to be done. That is why you have food storage, to survive the famine and carry on the work. I do believe we are ripe for chastisement, so something may happen soon. Oh, and another option you may have overlooked. In 1998 he said he was not prophesying, but 2001 he made mention again of the Pharaoh’s dream. 2001-2008 years of plenty / 2009-2016 years of famine. Just another thought.
The Bible tells us that we will not know the time, so for us to think we can figure it out in goofy. However, there will be signs and some of those signs have already occured, earthquakes, war, disease, etc…a lot in the late 1900′s. We could be in the seven years of famine right now. Who knows, or maybe a great seven years is ahead, then a terrible 7 years..either way you have to have faith in the moment..in jesus…..be saved. Technically the world could end tomorrow. We don’t know.
I really don’t think it’s too right to predict when things might happen. It’s true, things have gotten infinitely worse in the last few years, but it does say in the Bible that things are going to get a lot harder in the end days along with earthquakes, famines and other tragedies. I look at all the earthquakes reported in the news and the tsunamis and I go “wow” because there weren’t so many of this kind of thing, so frequently reported all over the earth, and then 2001 hits and then a few years later (now), so many earthquakes and tsunamis hit! It’s like it’s serving as a warning to people to be ready not for famine, necessarily, but for a sign from God that HE has not forgotten about his coming back to rapture the christians, but we should pay more attention to the signs leading up to that point. I don’t think we’ll ever see a 7 year peace treaty signed in Israel by any anti christ because I believe that christians will be raptured before all the nightmares and tortures on earth to do with the antichrist even begins, in fact – I believe that christians might not even know who will rise to BE the antichrist at all, we’ll just be raptured entirely. Ok, so I know I’ve gone off on another thing, but I guess what I’m saying is… unless there’s a real prophet from God, and I know for a fact that he’s not false, looking me in the face and telling me that there’s going to be some sort of horrid tragedy happen in 2012, then I’m not going to worry, I have a future right now, and for all I know I’m going to graduate from college and get married someday…and for all we know, if something huge is going to happen in 2012, it could be the rapture itself. And a calendar..is just a calendar, and when you think of it, the traditional calendar we have today is going to have to keep going – rapture or not – until the end of the world itself, or until people just stop keeping up with the day and focusing on the times that lay ahead lol….
…but time is still going to go on in some way or other long after the mayan calendar runs out of dates.
You need to read “Lost Star” before you comment on 2012.
While it’s true that we do not know the day that he will come, what most members of the church are forgetting is the fact that there is a LOT that needs to happen before he comes. 2012 could simply mean the beginning of the horrible tribulations prophesied that are to precede his coming. Members need to be prepared with their food storage because we are in for a stormy ride long before the Savior shows up. Remember, we still have a New Jerusalem to build in Independence.
I was just baptized into the Church a couple of months ago, and I’m having trouble grasping this whole “getting ready” thing. I hadn’t even heard of 2012 until last week, and thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach. I’m fairly young and I guess I just need some help trying to understand this.
I have been in the church for several years and never heard 2012 mentioned in Priesthood, sacrament, Conference talks, the church newspapers or magazines. It’s not anywhere in the teaching of the church that I can recall. The scriptures do not mention it. I haven’t come across any church manuals that talk about it. Perhaps the Mayan Calendar was mentioned in the Relief Society Manuals because they have a lot of fascinating world history mixed into their lessons. I do not believe that Heavenly Father would tell evil demonic Mayan butchers who tortured then sacrificed their own precious children to idols, the exact day that the end of the world would take place, so they could carve it in stone for us. It’s a lie, it’s only the end of the calendar, not the end of the world. I believe 2012 will pass by like Y2K 2000 with not much going on to rock our world. “No one knows when that day or hour will come. Even the angels in heaven and the Son don’t know. Only the Father knows” Any one tells you they know the day the savior is coming, it’s a lie. Satan is the Master of Lies. Believe it not. The Church has excellent guides for those members who would like to know more about the food storage basics, how to strengthen your testimony and career guidance to help students with educational choices. http://www.lds.org Have a good life Ashlee. It will be a long one :O)
IT ends December 21st. It is all about the Winter Solstice, which happens to be the 21st that year. But, I think your reading into something that isn’t there. The Maya calendar is not a count down to nothing. The Maya calendar is about as accurate about what is going to happen as the Chinese year of the Monkey, Horse, Rat, ect…..
What happens after 2012? it goes on to Phase 2 of their 7 phases. (which don’t go in numolgoical order) Thats it. Not the end of the world. Which will at a time we think not of.
I am guessing it will happen on a Friday, but, that’s about as far as have gotten. :p
hi
I´m from mexico, sorry for my english.
Pdte hinckley talked about Pharoah’s dream of 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine in general conference (sunday morning sesion) october 2001. After 7 years (2008) the economic crisis was announced.
Am I right?
maybe all mayans just stopped the prediction til 2012, because they got tired or a tragedy happened
what about the blackspots in the sun that will send hot waves to earth and will destroy our satellites and could even melt this has been predicted for 2012 by one of the scientists by theway 2012 movie coming out in november
IF ye are prepared ye shall not fear The days of tribulation are certainly upon us and worse it is going to get but we have time to get married and raise our children. put your lives in order with gospel principles follow the leaders.The lord told that he will be in front of us and at our rear and on our right side and on our left.The book of mormon will tell you what it will be like prior to the lords return.READ IT!”
Seriously? I read this post waiting for it to become apparent that this was just a farce or satire. I honestly didn’t believe that people who could string together a complete sentence could believe such rubbish. Pres. Hinckley is one of the most straight forward, direct, and clear speakers or writers I know. I love his talks for their simplicity. That he would be intimating coded instructions via some 7-year quasi Biblical, Mayan cosmology is rediculous. I hope the joke is on me here and no one is actually writing this stuff with a stright face.
If we believe that the head of the church is Jesus Christ and the prophet is inspired by the Holy Spirit and have the ability to act in the name of Christ now, as in days of the past. He will inform us to ready ourselves. And if the spirit be strong with you, then you too will know what to do and when to do it. Getting ready, spiritually is of the up most importance at this time. For the spirit will confer to you what to do and when to do it.
This is 2009, the home foreclosure problem is going to get worse in 2010 and 2011. I’m debt free now and leaning to garden in a small space. A couple years ago I was told by the Spirit to start learning. My wife dehydrates everything I can grow.
We are Temple workers for the pass two years, and have been asked to work for another year.
The next few years will be very interesting. You had better be Temple worthy, and doing what the Spirit and leaders say to do.
I guarantee the prophecy for year 2012 is a false prophecy and it can never be happend.
Strange that all of you doom sayers ignored President Hinckley’s word in full context. He specifically stated: “Now, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future,” President Hinckley noted. “But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.
“So many of our people are living on the very edge of their incomes. In fact, some are living on borrowings.
“We have witnessed in recent weeks wide and fearsome swings in the markets of the world. The economy is a fragile thing. A stumble in the economy in Jakarta or Moscow can immediately affect the entire world. It can, eventually, reach down to each of us as individuals. There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which we had better give heed.”
So, the prophet purposefully says he is NOT prophesying, is NOT predicting years of famine in the future, and yet you knuckleheads carry on as though he was!
Amazing, you won’t listen to the prophets when they are speaking prophetically, but when the say they are not, you are all ears…
The myans mention a significant happening not the end of the world. So really I believe that because the planets will align it is going to cause major whether changes thereby damaging many crops as a resume food shortages. The fact that the economy is bad and people are losing there jobs tells us that things are going to get bad. Social unrest is the next thing to come as so many people are going to be in a position where they will not be able to feed their families which in most cases leads to crime poverty and disease.
My parents were not LDS but they raised and grew all their own food for a family of 10 and left the farm once a month for a few supplies. So it is doable. My earliest memories are of helping Mom, Dad and siblings stock up in times of plenty for the winter months ahead. Now at 55, I have had my food storage in for over 30 years and enough for a lot more then just my family only. I have used on this back-up food supply, many times over the years when in financial stress caused by injury or between jobs. That is partly what it is for. If it goes bad, the animals benefit, nothing is wasted, no big deal. I just buy more. Mostly in bulk. I listened when the Prophets told us to get a years supply of food and get out of debt. Spencer W. Kimbell said, “Just do it!” Over the years, Hunter, Benson, Hinckley, Monson, told as politely as they could, the same thing in different words only. You don’t want to lose a house for a few dollars owing and you most certainly don’t want to starve to death. The lord has said, whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants it is the same. This is what the Lord wants you to do. No man knoweth the day or the hour of Christs 2nd coming. The word, year, was not included in that verse. People like to guess, but what does it matter. I’ve heard the New Jerusalem will be 7 years in the building when the savior comes. Okay, so what? It hasn’t happened. Joseph Smith was told there will be a space of time between the opening of the 7th seal and the coming of the Lord. Perhaps this amount of time would be in years or a few generations more, not hours or minutes. I don’t care. The longer the better, more time to save souls and polish up your spirit. Some day in the future the church will also implement the law of consecration. Yes folks, that will include our food storage and supplies being divided up as well as our possessions with other members and non members alike. I would assume to keep humans alive and well. Because Sam, Mary and kids were in financial distress prior to the end of days catastrophic events and ate their food storage up and lost their belongings, would it be just, for an LDS to say, I won’t share with them. Rev:6v8 states in part how the pale horseman named Death will kill with sword and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Will the predatory animal population explode as the human population decreases? Will we become their prey. B of M tells us to protect our families unto the shedding of blood, it doesn’t specify if the treat has 2 legs or 4. Okay, so the righteous will not be immune to the calamities that fall upon mankind. Joseph Smith said if a man was righteous he could sit under an apple tree and watch the millennium roll in. That’s good to hear. There is still a rainbow in the sky. Church leaders encourage members to get a good education, go on missions, get married, start your family, teach them the principals of the gospel and GET A JOB too. I would assume, because life still goes on. 2012 will come and go and you still have to go to work in the morning, you still have to go to school, you will still have to feed the kids and teach them the Gospel and did I mention the Lords voice through his Prophets wants you to grow a garden. I would assume, so you would know how to, if you needed to. Stop listening to the Chicken Littles of the world screaming, here am I, listen to me, the sky is falling and the grid is collapsing. They will drive you crazy with worry and fear. Listening to the Lord through his Prophets is the more peaceful option.
How many prophetic message had been announced in the public in the past and yet not fullfilled? There are many! In year 1978, false prophet announced the end of the time due to they suggested a clash of star that was approaching to the earth and yet it turned up to bypass the earth. In year 2000, flase prophet predicted the clash of the computer system that would cause Amagaddon. Now, 2012.
Recently I heard the news announced that there was a great economy downturn in many countries. Yet today is 2011 and yet that is prior to 2012. Many people turn up to be jobless and are eagerly seeking for jobs. The exchange rate for European currency has been dropped tremendously. Besides, USA’s economy has never been better off than before and that causes the frustration among the residents. Yet the headline above has raised the query about 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine. How could this be applicable to today’s crisis in which many countries would have suffered from economic downturn? How could the current economic downturn be able to bring about plenty of harvest for 7 years beginning from 2012 and that would contribute to another 7 years of famine? There is only one possibility and that is there could be a sudden bright change of economy advancement and most people would turn up to be able to find jobs easily in year 2012 and that would enable the immediate commencement of 7 years of plenty. Does it seem faire tale and that it would not be able to make a great change in year 2012 by looking at the bad situation that people that are confronting with? 7 years of plenty commencing 2012 could never occur unless the Government would do something to brighten our future.So to say! 7 years of plenty and 7 years of famine could never occur. I could possibly occur in our dream.If there be any possibility of 7 years of plenty since year 2012, all residents of United States would welcome that since many would turn up to find job easily. Not only that, there would be a rapid recovery of eonomy in the beginning of year 2012.
History surely repeats ! Why ? Because human beings do not know history let alone the scriptures. Further, it has been said that all of man’s trials from the beginning of time till now shall be revisited upon man kind in the Latter-Days which we find ourselves living in today !
http://2012patriot.wordpress.com/?s=Mormon
USA has already been turned up to have economic crisis even beginning of year 2011 The USA currency has already depreciated since year 2010. Many countries have suffered economic crisis in year 2011 instead, if you refer to the website, the economic crisis should have commenced as early as year 2007. Refer to the website address as follows: http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/01/the-financial-crisis-of-2007-2009-causes-consequences–and-possible-cures.html
From the information above, it seems that there isn’t any 7 years of plenty even even before year 2012. We do not even expect there would be 7 years of plenty after.
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