Found a post that made me ROTFLOL! …”One thing I’ve always admired about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) is that they, unlike other denominations, haven’t forgotten the time honored Christian tradition of excommunication…”
Great post! Excommunication certainly has it’s time and place, yet Reid’s political opinions simply do not qualify him for that level of exclusion and/or censure.
However, I do agree with the sentiment.
Will the Mormons Please Excommunicate Harry Reid Already (Rusty):
One thing I’ve always admired about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) is that they, unlike other denominations, haven’t forgotten the time honored Christian tradition of excommunication. With Sen Harry Reid’s (D-Nev) new found stance opposing the Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as betwen a man and a woman at odds with that of the Mormon church, isn’t it time the Mormons disassociate themselves from him?
41 responses so far ↓
David H. Sundwall // June 7, 2006 at 4:50 am
I thought it was pretty funny too. And it was nice that they appreciate that the church has and enforces it standards.
Anchorage Activist // June 7, 2006 at 7:56 am
My heart says excommunicate him! However, my brain says that if the Church was to excommunicate him, it would provide grist for the propaganda mills of the apologetics who claim that the Church “dictates” how we vote, or secretly “runs” Utah behind the scenes. We took enough heat over Sonia Johnson.
Jared // June 8, 2006 at 7:35 pm
With the past statements of:
“we urge Church members to register to vote, to study the issues and candidates carefully and prayerfully, and then vote for those they believe will most nearly carry out their ideas of good government”
and most recently, specifically regarding the marriage ammendment:
“urging members to ‘express themselves’ on a forthcoming vote in the United States Senate relating to the definition of marriage.”
How could anyone even argue that Harry Reid should be excommunicated?
“Express Yourself” does not mean you must agree with the ammendment — while the First Presidency is making it very clear that they oppose same sex marriage (and I suppose one could assume that Harry Reid agrees with that) — it means we as members are allowed to have differing optionons about the matter.
One can be against same sex marriage and against a constitutional ammendment about it (which will never pass nor is it constitutional by any standard - see Brown vs. Board of Education or search for the history of prohibition)
Nate Dredge // June 18, 2006 at 12:32 am
I agree with Jared, here we have the constitutional sphere and the theological sphere buting heads, its generaly not wise to merge them.
Joe Hoffer // July 23, 2006 at 6:48 am
The bottom line with Reid is this–he, as a senator, represents two different entities–First, his constituents and second, his own sense of self. Apologetically he could say, personally I would like to ban same sex marriage, but gosh–my people that I represent just don’t want that. Of course this view would set aside paternalistic ideas of governance–the people arent smart enough to know whats best for them anyhow. The church would never excommunicate the guy–that would be like excommunicating an Osmund. Its a little of the doctrines of man, mingled with scripture when it comes to the PR game. Personally, I don’t get the church dumping all this money into an amendment that will never pass. It would be easier to stop State’s from marrying people and say that a State acting to marry people is too much government entanglement with religion and apply the famed “Lemon” test from the Supreme Court. That way, if you want to get married–go to a church, not the county courthouse. If that happened, then guess what–Gay people couldn’t be married unless they found a church that would facilitate it, but the government would not have to recognize it or sanction it. Problem solved, everyone might not be happy but thats what compromise is all about.
Joe Hoffer // July 23, 2006 at 6:54 am
Of course, the above is all hypothetically speaking. The church has to stand up and speak out for what it knows is right, even realizing that it will probably fail. On the other hand, I take a more pragmatic look at the problem. What can we actually accomplish?
Now, on to my next question. Why don’t we take the Israelites and transport them all, by UN resolution to Missouri? Let the Arabs have the middle east and they will start fighting eachother and do the dirty work–sunni vs. shiite, etc. Meanwhile, Israel will build a new Jerusalem in Missouri, then once the Sand people have taken care of themselves we can send the Israelites back to Israel and let them rebuild Old Jerusalem. Then we will have two brand new Jerusalems…
Maybe I should e-mail Reid my ideas.
AAron H. // November 18, 2006 at 1:39 pm
I’m not in a position to speak for the church. But I can say with absolute certainty that the church is vehemently opposed to gay marriage and that if Brother Reid marries another man, he will definately be excommunicated.
Barak Geertsen // November 29, 2006 at 6:04 pm
Harry Reid is a good LDS member who is opposed to same sex marriage. Voting against the amendment for many just said that the Federal government should stay out of the marriage business. So should the courts for that matter. Marriage is primarily a religious ceremony, so it shouldn’t be up to a secular court to say who can get married and who can’t. It should be up to God. If gays feel discriminated against they should take it up with God, and see how far that gets them.
Harry Reid shouldn’t be excommunicated just for being a Democrat. It’s his values that are important. He is pro life and against gay marriage and I would venture to say that many Democrats are the latter.
Active Mormon // December 14, 2006 at 12:22 pm
As an active LDS member, I am very troubled by the church’s active support of the constitutional amemdment to ban same sex marriage. What about our eleventh artical of faith! Church leaders clearly are appropriate when they state that members of the church are not allowed to marry someone of the same sex. That is a moral issue, as they have stated. However, making it impossible for non-mormons to do so is not a moral issue. That is a political issue and they should not be dictating to their members how to vote.
The May 24th letter read in Sacrament Meetings was a request that each member become politically active. However, that letter is being used by Bishops to justify withholding Temple Recommends from otherwise worthy members.
Does Harry Reid still have his Temple Recommend?
LDS Patriot // December 14, 2006 at 2:46 pm
Active Mormon, this is the first I’ve heard “that letter is being used by Bishops to justify withholding Temple Recommends from otherwise worthy members.” Please elucidate, e.g., which bishop(s), where, when, who got a TR withheld…
Daniel // December 15, 2006 at 6:27 am
Um, the May 24 letter did not ask members to become politically active at the threat of a loss of a temple recommend.
another active mormon // December 15, 2006 at 11:16 am
it is probably not appropriate to spread the actual names over the internet. however, once the first presidency declaired their active support for the right wing republican agenda as they did in the letter, it is not surprising that some bishops and/or stake presidents would determine that anyone (meaning any democrat) not in agreement would not be “sustaining the first presidency as prophets, seers and revelators” and withhold their tr.
the Stig // December 22, 2006 at 2:36 pm
I’m disgusted by those proposing that Reid should be ex-ed or belittled because he’s politically incorrect in the eyes of the many right wing bias LDS members. The guy does have his agency, he happens to be a pretty descent Senator. Now, I say this from an outsider’s point of view (I’m British, very active LDS with a Yankee wife)… “Be politically active” as asked by the Church leadership doesn’t mean be a bloody republican, or a crazy democrat. The church asks us to contribute to our communities, not asking us how or what political angle we should follow. Yes, I personally believe ‘brokeback marriages’ are moraly wrong. It is also wrong for LDS members to tell who is or isn’t worthy of a recommend because Brother John Doe was voting or thinking another way than the LDS majority. Maybe he (the Senator) respects the God given agency of those non-LDS who would want to get involved in immoral activities, we have to accept that that is what they want to do, his job isn’t to lecture them. If in private (or public) Sen. Reid doesn’t participate in anything contrary to church teachings, who are we to judge his standing with the Lord? I hate political correctness, and especially hate LDS holier-than-thou political correctness.
Dutch // January 2, 2007 at 3:56 pm
Harry Reid is a politician. Isn’t that enough of a reason to excommunicate him?
DTM // January 4, 2007 at 4:41 pm
If Harry Reid was a republican and today he was sworn in as Majority Leader, it would be front page Mormon news - it would be one of the biggest stories of the Mormon year. All that talk about how the world will be hanging by a thread in the last days and Mormon leaders would have to save it would be front and center. But because Harry Reid is a Democrat being sworn in as Majority Leader, today’s news is simply a footnote. That’s sad and it says a lot about the cultural state of the our church right now.
Steve M // April 4, 2007 at 2:51 pm
If the Constitution is hanging by a thread, Harry Reid is currently hacking at that thread with a machete. Reid actively subverts everything the Church and our Nation stands for. Those praising Reid’s virtues (”oh, but he was a Sunday School teacher…”
are naive, at the very best. Whether Harry Reid pays his tithing or not, you know his character by its fruits.
His long history of land-swindles, influence peddling and gaming industry corruption are well documented.
As an arch-Liberal activist, Mr. Reid has worked across the board to undermine everything our inspired Founding Fathers sacrificed to hand down to us and everything that our Church teaches. Reid has come out against freedom of religion and for freedom from religion. He opposes the right to bear arms. He has been treasonously working to undermine the Commander in Chief in time of war. He has done everything possible to block the President’s Constitutional authority to appoint solid constructionist judges to the federal bench and to the Supreme Court. In fact, Reid has been doing all in his power to undermine both the Executive and Judicial branches of our Constitutional government in the name of solidifying power in the hands of his political party.
Reid is pro-abortion and anti-freedom; pro-Muslim terrorist, pro-atheist and anti-Christian; pro-gay and anti-family. Each time Harry Reid speaks, his voice is dripping with venom and hatred. He is a bitter, twisted, small-minded, petty, foolish, power hungry, arrogant little man.
He might be a “nice guy” in person. He may not smoke or drink, and he may even attend church classes, but in this was between good and evil, Harry Reid is a leader on the side of evil. My only hope is that the Lord will call a good and noble man like Mitt Romney to raise again the Title of Liberty like Captain Moroni of old and oppose Reid and all his ilk. Perhaps Romney and other patriotic Elders of the Church can indeed help save the Constitution of this choice nation before Reid and his forces of darkness can destroy everything good that America has stood for since its Divinely inspired founding.
Kirk Nitz // April 17, 2007 at 9:42 pm
The 13th Article of Faith states “We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.”
Can Harry Reid truly say his misrepresentation of President Bush is being honest? While the Republican Party may not be perfect but it is NOT the party of advocates of abortionists, homosexuality, destruction of the US Constitution, twisting of the law, the ACLU. Were the Democrats to have their way, we would be a nation of San Franciscos, Boston, Berkeley, and Boulder. I truly believe the Democrats would have us lie down in front of our enemies .
Reid needs to get some spine and speak out against the anti righteous planks of the Democratic Party. Until he does, his equivocation is at odds with the gospel.
In the temple recommend interview, one is asked if we are affiliated with any group that is opposition to the Church. Think of the agenda of the Democratic Party as a whole and their practices toward religions.
timatotoro // April 18, 2007 at 3:08 pm
responding to Kirk Nitz
so being being a DEM = not worthy?
first of all we are a global church, this is really important to understanding why the church does not take a position on politics. Do members who live in Spain, France, Peru who do not support Bush’s Administration be excumunicated? no of course not. My wife tells of good members who are Communist, Marxist and Leftist in Uruguay, and im sure there are many more throught the world where the policies of the current adminstration are support but actively opposed.
you write: “I truly believe the Democrats would have us lie down in front of our enemies.” This is wat the Anti-Nephites did, and more than were killed where convereted. Nevertheless, that stamenent is simply without merit.
To pin worthiness on political views would eviscerate the meaning of testimony and replace it with a litmus test that would have nothing to do with worthiness. This would be bad.
The question asked in the interview does not involve organizations that have a different political view, but rather those who are oppose to the church per se, that is that the church should not exist, not whether the organization you belong to is opposed to the political views that some church members would have. How would you measure that anyways. Would a leftist bishop in Spain be right not to find a member who supports the right in his country? no, of course not. the postion is simply untenable.
Kirk Nitz // April 19, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Harry Reid strikes again. I believe the term is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
In Helaman 7:5 it states ” Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills—”
Harry has become part and parcel with the latter day Gadiantons.
rcronk // April 25, 2007 at 7:39 am
The democratic platform supports abortion, rewarding/encouraging gay marriage, socialism/wealth redistribution - aka gadianton robbery in the government, the destruction of the traditional family, etc. All of these things the church has spoken out against and so it’s not a question of worthiness but of reconciliation. I don’t get how someone can reconcile all of these wicked viewpoints with the teachings of Christ and His church.
Eric Selin // April 25, 2007 at 9:33 am
Harry Reid is a notorious coward and an (unfortunately) LDS anti-patriot. It wouldn’t trouble me one bit if he suffered a debilitating aneurysm tonight.
Scott // April 29, 2007 at 10:41 am
All Freedoms that come from God are expanded and limited based on actions taken. A man can hate and use freedom of speach to attack policemen. BUT once he swears an oath and becomes a policeman he is constrained by the terms of that oath and the responsibilities of the oath and his duties of office/position and No longer has the ‘freedom’ of speech to attack policemen. A man can speak against the current laws of the lands and denounce the constitition as his God given freemom allows (provided he does not ‘incite’ or provoke illegal acts per the las). BUT if that man takes an oath as a judge then he is constrained (his actions are limited in the cause of the oath and duties of his position) He may not speak or work by his actions against that which he by his own volition took upon himself. His freedoms are limited to the focus of his oath. Therefore the judge who breaks that oath by words or actions –acceptable to those NOT under his oath of office– Must be removed from his office.
If God being holy (obedient in all things and perfected through the Order of Heaven) takes upon him in a very real sense an oath of his office as a god– He cannot act in violation of that oath and remain God. Harry Reid must be excommunicated. He has violated his oaths and sacred covenants that bind him to uphold the God inspired Constitution. He must be removed from office as violating his oath of office to defend the constitution. If a lower position of government such as a soldier must abide his oath or suffer military justice and be imprisioned, dischared or destroyed for treason. Can you assume that a Senator is immune to the laws and ethics that form and bind our country?? Heaven forbid!! Harry Reid’s baptismal, priesthood oath & covenant, and temple covenants DEMAND in violation of the same THAT he be tried and removed from the Lord’s Church. The inaction of his personal bishop and Stake President in fulfilling their duty will land on them a serious consequences. He is not a Saint, by his actions and violation of his multiple sacred oaths. Period Period Period. Who has to do it or can get it done may be debatable But that it must be done to fulfill the obligation ‘to see there is no iniquity in the church’ is inviolate! Peace to the meek and Joy to true and faithful. Your brother
Allen Mitchell // May 2, 2007 at 3:57 pm
How anyone can be a liberal democrate and be a Mormon, I will never understand. Liberalism is a mental disorder and Ried is suffering from it. He shouldn’t excomunicated, he should be voted out of office. His latest stand has joined with our enemies and emboldened them. It will cost many more of our troops their lives for political stand for power. How can you do such a thing and profess to be Mormon? He is a discrace to his Religion and his Country.
Youthful Saint // May 3, 2007 at 6:13 pm
I believe that as our brother, Harry Reid is more than welcome among us. Do I personally agree with many of his decisions? No. We are the strongest church on the face of the earth and we need to stand together and remember that despite our political affiliations, there is a much higher law that all of us know as members of this great organization. If we all strive to live this law, what is there to argue about?
rcronk // May 9, 2007 at 9:09 am
His status as a mormon is between him, his bishop, his stake president, and God. Period.
I (and others here, apparently) don’t agree with what he does, but that’s completely irrelevant with respect to his status in the church.
Eric Selin // May 9, 2007 at 10:27 am
True. But it still wouldn’t bother me were he to suffer a debilitating stroke. It’s how I feel about all highly placed non-patriot cowards even the LDS ones. When we must all live with a cowardly leader and one who gives the collective Church a black eye nearly every time he opens his mouth there is nothing wrong with wishful thinking.
Luciano Barboza // May 17, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I’m not north american… I’m a Brazilian guy. I was wasting my time reading this stuff and all I can say is that the church is true and that politics won’t save our souls. In the judgement day there won’t be USA or Brazil… but lots of people in the same condition… so… think about it…
Eric Selin // June 18, 2007 at 10:02 am
That’s fine Captain Barboza, but in the mean time we have to live and that doesn’t mean that those of us here in the USA now need to chuck our culture, freedom and rights in favor of outlaws who want to come here and take -a’ la Gadianton Robbers and threaten the law abiding. Harry Reid is a wanton coward unable to do the right thing even if it happened to occur to him which it won’t. We may not be able to excommunicate him but we can surely work against him and all he sits for.
chett cox // June 24, 2007 at 5:32 pm
harry reid has gone from a congressman earning 80000.00 a year to a multimillionaire. that is accomplished while maintaining two homes. he needs to be investigated by the justice dept to see just how he got that done. he must have made some of the same stock buys hillary clinton did.
mwebb // June 25, 2007 at 8:00 pm
the law is the law - it cares little for politics .
as long as we follow the law , we will be allowed to live in peace and prosperity in this land - if we do not follow the law we will be replaced by others who will , is not that the promise ?
ask the Israelites how well that law is enforced .
how many Israelites had to die so that the Israelites could learn the simple lesson that the law must be followed .
is gay marriage acceptable under the law ? not at all .
if it were to be allowed here , all will be affected.
Do you think there would be room for the 12 million illegal immigrants , if 40 million American babies had not been murdered since Roe vs Wade ?
has that not affected us all ? Si .
nuff said.
Halli // October 12, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Last temple recommend interview I attended I was asked if I was a member of, or affiliated with, any organization with positions contrary to the teachings of the church.
How DO Democrats get tr’s?
Marlene // October 18, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I had heard that Harry Reid was a Mormon, I could not believe it! Now I have confirmation that he is. It must be in name only. He is a horrible representative of the Mormon faiths beliefs, and morality. He appears to be a bitter, angry person, He does not show respect for President Bush. He is a liberal democrat…. which seems totally in conflict with what I always viewed Mormonism to be. He seems filled with hate, and bitterness as evidenced by his continuous attacks on our president, and his contrary stand on moral issues.
Reid and Polosi are largely responsible for the extreme non productive divisiveness in this country. I pray God will touch his heart and deliver him from his evil ways.
LDSPOSSECOMITATUS // October 23, 2007 at 11:07 am
Reid is someone who will get his in the next life. He is a lying crapweasel and is unlikely to survive the next election in Nevada as his approval ratings are lower than that of President Bush by a good margin in his home state.
While the Church won’t excommunicate people for their political views -except perhaps views consonant with those of the Islamofascists (which Harry seems to adore) which are the literal plan of Satan put into practice -worship at gun point and intolerance and punishment of any view other than that of the goat faith itself, we are all free to note that should Harry suffer a debilitating stroke and subsequent actual -as opposed to apparent- brain death it wouldn’t trouble very many of us. Think of it as the will of Allah.
Kerry // January 20, 2008 at 10:54 am
The Mormon church should lose it’s tax-exempt status for supporting ANY candidate and ANY political stance. I am in favor of taxing ALL churches that political candidates stand and lecture in.
Alan // January 21, 2008 at 9:52 am
The question remains the same. Do we favor a U.S. Constitution from a “Originalist” perspective? Is is a binding contract between the people and the government which the document set up?
Ezra Taft Bensons book “God Family Country” or Skousens making of America make excelent study.
ron osborne // January 27, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I too am a mormon, but cannot believe the church hasn’t excommunicated harry reid.
It may be because we are taught that we should all be involved in the political process, but we are not told or compelled who to vote for. We are still free to vote for whom we feel is right for the job. we should use common sense when it come to voting for any candidate however, Mormons too are subjected to the wrong info and form the wrong opinions. However, Reid will answer to a higher authority for how he performed his job as a liberal idiot .
Kirk Nitz // April 6, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Been a while since I checked back. Concerning Timatotoro’s comments. Your wife knows members that are Marxists and Communists. You got some splaining to do. Marx maintained religions were the means of oppression of bourgeoise. Communists believe in the use of force to accomplish their idea of utopia. Those movements are 180 degrees from the LDS values and doctrines. Plainly one cannot be a Marxist or a Communist and LDS at the same time anymore than one could be a Nazi and LDS at the same time.
Joseph Atwater // May 8, 2008 at 2:14 am
At least Harry Reid does not send innocent men and woman into a war that lines the pockets of the Republicans who build monuments of granite lauding the names of the fallen as to say (” thanks you very much”)and array the lapels of Generals with medals of Distinction for their carnage. Its time the mormons read the 98 Section of the D&C vs 33-38 to get an idea of what the terms of war are pertaining to the Master, as he is supposed to mete out justice. Be we “Mormons” think we are are better than our God and mete out justice in our own terms with corrupt politicians. I would have thought the mormons (including myself) sacrificing 55,000 men and women in the Vietnam war would have been sufficient fodder for our so called greed of Patriotism. Politicians are not welcome in Paradise…including Republicans or Democrats
You call take your agenda to hell with you…”he that lives by the sword shall die by the sword”
Kirk Nitz // June 1, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Before you lay Vietnam at the doors of the Republicans, maybe you ought to go back and study your history boon some more. Ever heard of John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. I think maybe they were Democrats. Under Johnson’s regime you had a bunch of people hellbent on destroying America’s military. Robert McNamara wanted to limit US military to only ICBMs so America’s only military option was to go nuclear. He and is bean counters also came with formulas indicating that a certain ratio of deaths came with a certain number of bullets being shot. They (the Democrats) were responsible for the distorted numbers from Vietnam. If we had elected Barry Goldwater instead of that liar Johnson, we would have fought Vietnam like a real war, kicked ass, and probably been home by 1968. Thousands of Americans would have not died, Vietnam would be free, Cambodia would not have experienced the killing fields, Laos would be free, and the world a whole lot better place.
Harry Reid is committing treason by giving aid and comfort to our enemies. They are becoming more brazen in their attacks because they believe the US will weasel out like Spain did. How many lives have been lost because of Reid’s words?
Remember Captain Moroni, to paraphrase, enough this crap. Support me and my troops or I will come and kick your ass and set the government straight.
Joseph Atwater // June 27, 2008 at 6:10 am
I do not believe Heavenly Father would use the words “Kick ass” to destroy his children. Take a lesson from Heavenly Father and let Him be the judge instead of your so called “kick ass Republican attitude. I believe the scriptures say we are all children of God.We need to call upon Him to guide us and show us these difficult answers to life. Your guns and and attitude will not win wars.
Joseph Atwater // June 29, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Thank God for Harry Ried , Man of God,Active member and worthy temple attendee.
Cause sure as hell George Bush and Dick Cheney will never acheive that goal in this life nor the life to come with the blood of innocent men and woman on their garments
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