9/11 Conspiracies

It’s a travesty that 9/11 Conspiracies have gotten any traction at all.

To actively promote this ugly & insidious disinformation is shameful.

Such outlandish conspiratorial accusations proffered by the 9/11 Conspiracy crowd ought to be vehemently repudiated for the rubbish that it is.

To believe and promote such lies dishonors those who died at the hands of the murderers who were guilty of such cold-blooded barbarity and heinous crimes against humanity.

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Posted on July 24, 2006, in News and politics. Bookmark the permalink. 23 Comments.

  1. Hmm, this seems a bit naive to just write the whole thing off as “ugly and insidious information”. Indeed, there are several things in the official 9/11 report that could themselves be classified as “ugly and insidious information”.

    There are too many variables and unanswered questions here. The “9/11 Conspiracy crowd” seeks answers to those questions. Who knows if they’ll ever get them? But I’m glad somebody is asking.

    To wholeheartedly accept what the government is spoon-feeding us in the “official story” is dangerous. I don’t have nearly that much faith and trust in our nation’s leaders.

  2. and you call yourself an LDS Patiot?

    LDS Church President Spencer W. Kimball in an address entitled “The False Gods We Worship,” given in honor of the US Bicentennial, in June of 1976 said:

    “When I review the performance of this people…I am appalled and frightened…We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel—ships, planes, missiles, fortifications—and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become antienemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan’s counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior’s teaching:

    “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    “That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.” (Matt. 5:44–45.)

  3. Brian, why the ad hominem or personal attack?

    You are the webmaster and or founder of 911 Truth Seekers, are you not?


    Nuff said.

  4. Connor, what is naïve or demonstrative of a lack of sophistication and critical judgment are the 9/11 conspiratorialists. They operated in a data free environment, eager to replace & dismiss facts with specious theories devoid of substance.

    Militant Islam is the enemy; not Bush, not the Bush Administration, not the U.S. military, not the U.S. Congress, or any other bogus trumped-up enemy.

    Militant Islam is a secret combination, not Bush, not the Bush Administration, not the U.S. military, not the U.S. Congress, or any other bogus trumped-up enemy.

    Militant Islam is the modern-day Gadianton Robbers, not Bush, not the Bush Administration, not the U.S. military, not the U.S. Congress, or any other bogus trumped-up enemy.

    Militant Islam is the greatest threat to American and world peace, not Bush, not the Bush Administration, not the U.S. military, not the U.S. Congress, or any other bogus trumped-up enemy.

    Militant Islam is responsible for 9/11, not Bush, not the Bush Administration, not the U.S. military, not the U.S. Congress, or any other bogus trumped-up enemy.

    As the editors of Popular Mechanics puts it, “In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.” Here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

    Mike Griffith (LDS author) has created a page entitled “REFUTING THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES” here: http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm

  5. It’s nice to see that you’ve regurgitated this same information on another post now too, but I’m not so sure your claims are valid. While Brian shouldn’t have questioned your patriotism, he raised a valid point. I agree that “militant islam” is a (small) portion of the “modern-day Gadianton Robbers”, but there is so much more to it than that. I recommend Ken Bower’s Book, Hiding in Plain Sight to understand a little more of what is really going on, rather than what the media is telling us. There’s more to the picture than what we are told and what we see and read. Indeed, much of it has scriptural and prophetic backing, and is to be studied and researched with the spirit of discernment in an attempt to see the hand of God (and the workings of Satan) in at all…

  6. Connor, your blog makeover is great! Great job, love your blog.

    Yes, I did regurgitate, for ease of use for readers and self.

    It’s a waste of time & energy digging in the ashes of 9/11 to find (or invent) villains that are not there. We ought to espouse moral clarity, conviction of purpose, and clarity & certitude of blame when it comes to 9/11. Anything less than that plays into the enemies hands and distracts from the mission at hand.

    Connor, what do you think of Medved’s warning against conspiracy-mongers? I’d be interested in your take on this article which speaks to my position quite well.

  7. Connor, one more thing. You say, “agree that “militant islam” is a (small) portion of the “modern-day Gadianton Robbers”…

    Small portion? How so? What other secret combo comes close to equating the threat, impact and cost (lives, money, resources, fear, etc.) that militant Islam represents to us today?

  8. Yeah, the girl I’m dating told me my old blog design was ugly. So, I had to change it. 🙂 Thanks for the compliment.

    A close study of the Book of Mormon indicates that the secret combinations that undermined the Nephite and Jaredite civilizations weren’t primarily outside forces waging war on them, it was people on the inside, in their own government, that brought on the ultimate demise.

    So it is today.

    If you study the Illuminati, banking families, CFR, PNAC, Trilateral Commission, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and a slew of other organizations and individuals, you’ll see a much larger scheme going on here. Indeed, a “New World Order” that the PNAC itself said would only be brought about by a “new pearl harbor”. Shortly thereafter, we have 9/11.

    Sure, there are lots of questions, lots of skepticism, lots of doubt. But after all that I’ve read, prayed, and pondered, I do sincerely believe that there were higher forces involved in 9/11 than a few islamic militants with boxcutters.

    There are a slew of quotes by government leaders, including former POTUS, talking about a shadow government that is truly in control of this country. There are other powers (secret combinations) that exert control and influence on the affairs of this nation and others.

    Narrowing the scope to 9/11 can ultimately be a waste of time. Waking up to understand what the larger agenda is, and preparing yourself for what is to come, is the best use of time, energy, and resources.

  9. So I posted a response yesterday, but I guess it got deleted somehow..

    What I basically said was…

    One needs to have a higher understanding of the forces at play in our world. Understanding who the “shadow government” is that so many world leaders have made mention of will allow one to see who is really in control, what their intentions are, and how they go about it.

    That is when you get into researching the Illuminati (not the Dan Brown version), banking families, CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC, Skull & Bones, Luciferianism, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and the whole lot.

    Only then can one really understand what “militant islam” is all about. It’ll then make sense who finances them, why we’re really over in Iraq, how it all came about, and to what end it is being done.

    If you’re up to it, I recommend the book Beneath the Tide by Ken Bowers, an LDS author who is W. Cleon Skousen’s protegé, to learn more about this kind of stuff. Or just read Ether 8. 🙂

  10. Connor, not much to argue with you about.

    However, you are missing the bigger picture; missing what is actually happening. It is incorrect to claim that the secret combo threat Book of Mormons prophets wrote about is only an inside job, and that is only concerns America.

    It is a worldwide phenomenon that concerned Mormon and Moroni, “Ether 8: 25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning;”

    …overthrow the freedom fo all lands, nations, and countries…

    That, my friend, is exactly ideology of the Islamists of militant Islam.

    It is not a “small portion” as you point out, it is The Secret Combo of our time; nothing even comes close.

    As to” Narrowing the scope to 9/11 can ultimately be a waste of time” might be true if 9/11 were a focus. It is not. Militant Islam began with the Muslim Brotherhood in the 1920’s and has spread to various forms from there. Much of its context has been gleaned from examples taken from the life of Mohammad and the Koran, so it is far more complex and historical than 9/11.

  11. I agree with President Kimball:

    In spite of our delight in defining ourselves as modern, and our tendency to think we possess a sophistication that no people in the past ever had — in spite of these things, we are, on the whole, an idolatrous people — a condition repugnant to the Lord.

    We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel — ships, planes, missiles, fortifications — and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become antienemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan’s counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior’s teaching:

    “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
    “That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 5:44-45).

    We forget that if we are righteous the Lord will either not suffer our enemies to come upon us — and this is the special promise to the inhabitants of the land of the Americas (see 2 Nephi 1:7) — or he will fight our battles for us (Exodus 14:14; D&C 98:37, to name only two references of many). This he is able to do, for as he said at the time of his betrayal, “Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?” (Matthew 26:53). We can imagine what fearsome soldiers they would be. King Jehoshaphat and his people were delivered by such a troop (see 2 Chronicles 20), and when Elish’s life was threatened, he comforted his servant by saying, “Fear not; for they that be with us are more than they that be with them” (2 Kings 6:16). The Lord then opened the eyes of the servant, “And he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha” (vs 17).

    What are we to fear when the Lord is with us? Can we not take the Lord at his word and exercise a particle of faith in him? Our assignment is affirmative: to forsake the things of the world as ends in themselves; to leave off idolatry and press forward in faith; to carry the gospel to our enemies, that they might no longer be our enemies.

    We must leave off the worship of modern-day idols and a reliance on the “arm of flesh,” for the Lord has said to all the world in our day, “I will not spare any that remain in Babylon” (D&C 64:24).

  12. Dan, I’ve always loved that talk by President Kimball. Avraham Gileadi makes good use of it as well in his book, The Last Days: Types and Shadows from the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

    The prophet who has spoken in our day regarding the War on Terror is President Hinckley. His two talks, The Times In Which We Live (just after 9/11, ) and War and Peace (at the beginning of the Iraq War).

    Lets see what President Hinckley had to say on the matter…President’s Hinckley’s comments will be in quotes, followed by my remarks:

    From The Times In Which We Live:

    “But this was not an attack on the United States alone. It was an attack on men and nations of goodwill everywhere.” The War on Terror is a global war.

    “It was cruel and cunning, an act of consummate evil.” It’s not about trying to understand their motives, why they attacked us, so that we might better understand them and be sympatric towards them, nor is it about blaming America policy for the evil actions of terrorists, nor is it about appeasement; they are cruel, cunning and evil, period.

    “That same evening he spoke to the Congress and the nation in unmistakable language concerning the resolve of America and its friends to hunt down the terrorists who were responsible for the planning of this terrible thing and any who harbored such.” He does not condemn the language, or resolve of the U.S. to go to war against terrorists and those who harbor them.

    “Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions… It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.” Not aware of any change in support of the First Presidencies call to stand solidly with President Bush.

    “We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.” What more can be said; it’s the same as my position; modern day Gadianton robbers = militant Islam.

    “We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).” So much for your false assessment you cannot be for God and war at the same time.

    “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things.” It does not matter if you hide behind Islam, if your murder you are evil.

    “Unitedly, as a Church, we must get on our knees and invoke the powers of the Almighty in behalf of those who will carry the burdens of this campaign.” We support them through pray, not anti-war rallies.

    “Now, all of us know that war, contention, hatred, suffering of the worst kind are not new. The conflict we see today is but another expression of the conflict that began with the War in Heaven.” War even happens in Heaven, it should came as no surprise it happens on earth.

    “Now, brothers and sisters, we must do our duty, whatever that duty might be. Peace may be denied for a season. Some of our liberties may be curtailed. We may be inconvenienced. We may even be called on to suffer in one way or another. But God our Eternal Father will watch over this nation and all of the civilized world who look to Him.” Peace has been denied; why whine about it? Why fight the Patriot Act, as our liberties may be curtailed because of this ominous threat.

    “Let us pray for the forces of good. Let us reach out to help men and women of goodwill, whatever their religious persuasion and wherever they live. Let us stand firm against evil, both at home and abroad.” There are forces for good and forces for evil. Let us be clear who the enemy is. And by all means let us stand firm against evil, do not appease it.

    From War and Peace:

    “When I came to this pulpit at that time, the war against terrorism had just begun. The present war is really an outgrowth and continuation of that conflict.” The war in Iraq is a justified war in the War on Terror, an outgrowth and continuation of that conflict.

    “In the course of history tyrants have arisen from time to time who have oppressed their own people and threatened the world. Such is adjudged to be the case presently, and consequently great and terrifying forces with sophisticated and fearsome armaments have been engaged in battle.” Saddam is the tyrant President Hinckley referred to.

    “There have been casualties in this terrible conflict, and there likely will be more. Public protests will likely continue. Leaders of other nations have, in no uncertain terms, condemned the coalition strategy. The question arises, ‘Where does the Church stand in all of this?’ … But as citizens we are all under the direction of our respective national leaders. They have access to greater political and military intelligence than do the people generally. Those in the armed services are under obligation to their respective governments to execute the will of the sovereign. When they joined the military service, they entered into a contract by which they are presently bound and to which they have dutifully responded. One of our Articles of Faith, which represent an expression of our doctrine, states, “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law” (Articles of Faith 1:12). Support the war effort.

    “In a democracy we can renounce war and proclaim peace. There is opportunity for dissent. Many have been speaking out and doing so emphatically. That is their privilege. That is their right, so long as they do so legally. However, we all must also be mindful of another overriding responsibility, which I may add, governs my personal feelings and dictates my personal loyalties in the present situation.” This is not a time for peace, it is a time for war; President Hinckley endorsed the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

    He then quotes just war theory in the Book of Mormon an then applies it to the Afghanistan and Iraq war, “When war raged between the Nephites and the Lamanites, the record states that “the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for . . . power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.

    “And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God” (Alma 43:45–46).

    The Lord counseled them, “Defend your families even unto bloodshed” (Alma 43:47).

    And Moroni “rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote upon it—In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children—and he fastened it upon the end of a pole.

    “And he fastened on his headplate, and his breastplate, and his shields, and girded on his armor about his loins; and he took the pole, which had on the end thereof his rent coat, (and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren” (Alma 46:12–13).

    “It is clear from these and other writings that there are times and circumstances when nations are justified, in fact have an obligation, to fight for family, for liberty, and against tyranny, threat, and oppression.” Again, this is a time for a justified war. That is pretty clear to me.

    “Furthermore, we are a freedom-loving people, committed to the defense of liberty wherever it is in jeopardy.” America is justified in protecting nations against tyrants and spreading freedom; sounds exactly like the Bush doctrine to me.

    “It may even be that He will hold us responsible if we try to impede or hedge up the way of those who are involved in a contest with forces of evil and repression.” The War on Terror is a war against the forces of evil and repression; militant Islam is evil precisely because it uses force, compulsion, repression and murder to spread its hideous and hellish ideology. And those politicians and anti-war protestors that impede or hedge up the war in this contest or war, God will hold them accountable, as they are on the wrong side, guilty of aiding and abetting the enemy.

  13. President Hinckley has also said:

    Why do any of us have to be so mean and unkind to others? Why can’t all of us reach out in friendship to everyone about us? Why is there so much bitterness and animosity? It is not a part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Now, does calling someone a cockroach, and saying, you don’t have a problem killing cockroaches, fit in with this?

    I don’t see an exception to President Hinckley’s request. “Why caan’t all of us reach out in friendship to everyone about us.”

    President Hinckley also confided in his friend Mike Wallace the following:

    LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley “was not and is not happy with the war in Iraq,” CBS newsman Mike Wallace said Friday. “He deplores what’s going on there.”

    The longtime reporter, who interviewed Hinckley for “60 Minutes” in 1995, was in Utah to participate in Hinckley’s 95th birthday gala at the LDS Conference Center in downtown Salt Lake City.

    “It wasn’t an interview situation, so I didn’t press” Hinckley, Wallace told a half-dozen or so reporters. “But I was sorry I didn’t have a camera.”

    LDS spokesman Dale Bills was quick to say the church “has no position on the war in Iraq” and that Wallace’s comments were “his own characterization of a private conversation.”

    Interestingly, the Salt Lake Tribune source for this article has been removed. I wonder why……..

    I agree with President Hinckley’s first talk, which was our action against the terrorists in Afghanistan, and I backed that war. I felt that we should have been far more forceful in Afghanistan and completely wiped out the Taliban and Al-Qaida. We gave the front line battle to the Northern Alliance though (what were we thinking?!?!?!?!) and let Bin Laden escape. Because we diverted our attention to something that did not have a thing to do with Al-Qaida, i.e. Iraq, we let the Taliban fester and continue to be a thorn in our side. Why are the Taliban still around?

    In regards to President Hinckley’s “War and Peace” talk in April 2003, I think he assumed that the government was speaking the truth regarding WMDs in Iraq. I don’t think he realized just how evil and coniving Cheney and his bunch were. For example, President Hinckley said the following:

    But as citizens we are all under the direction of our respective national leaders. They have access to greater political and military intelligence than do the people generally.

    This has been shown to be incorrect, and thus, President Hinckley’s assumption to trust his government in this case was wrong. There were no WMDs in Iraq. The weapons inspectors had actually done their job. Take a look at what Colin Powell said in February 2001. This was before the Republican propaganda machine could brainwash Mr. Powell to get in line. This is what he had to say about Iraq and the weapons inspectors:

    We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions — the fact that the sanctions exist — not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein’s ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq…

    The Memory Hole links to a page no longer found on the State Department website, giving the impression that they removed those comments, but I found them here. In case it doesn’t work, the American Embassy in Israel has them here.

    So what has changed? How come the Secretary of State says in February of 2001 that the sanctions in Iraq have worked, and that Saddam is basically held in check, and yet two years later, we’re at war against him because he somehow hasn’t been in check? Does that not befuddle you? Does that not make you question what is going on? Should the fact that no weapons have been found not make you think twice about the accusations that Saddam had “reconstituted his weapons programs” as Cheney, the ultimate Big Brother, keeps falsely arguing?

    The altering of information is nothing new. Take a look at this which shows how right wing conspirators in the media distorted the events of December 1998 to fit their agenda.

    It was Clinton and Butler who ordered the UN inspectors out of Iraq in 1998, not Saddam who kicked them out. I bet you didn’t remember that. I bet you actually believed it was Saddam who kicked them out. But see, I distinctly recalled in 1998 that Clinton had ordered them out. Then as the years passed I kept hearing the opposite, that it was Saddam that kicked them out. I knew I was having an Orwellian moment. I knew people were deliberately lying because I trust my ears. I knew what I heard in 1998. I don’t have a short attention span like most Americans who cannot, for the life of them recall either of these two incidents: Clinton ordering the troops out in 1998 and Powell saying the sanctions worked in 2001. But they happened. It doesn’t fit the Republican propaganda script, so they deliberately lie and say the lies long enough to a public with the shortest attention span in the world, and it suddenly becomes the truth.

    It is ironic that I’m bringing this up on your post about 9/11 conspiracies. No, I don’t believe the government was behind the 9/11 attacks, but make no mistake about it, the Republican leadership has deliberately lied about Iraq because they’ve wanted to attack it for some time.

  14. LDS Patriot?

    I just found this unfortunate post in Google.

    Hey buddy, wake up to the reality of what is happening. The LDS people are under “condemnation, a scourge and judgement” for having treated lightly the Book of Mormon which is as timely as the “Morning newspaper.”

    I wonder Mr. LDS Patriot what you will one day speak to Moroni when you see him at the judgement bar, and he asks why you would not “awake to a sense of your awful situtation” as the Lord Commands all of us to do in Ether 8: 18-25.

    9/11 was an inside job.

    I suppose you’d be hostile to Ezra Taft Benson for stating what he did in the audio clip that plays when this page loads:


    Such talk brought down the wrath of the establishment upon his head, and many false and phony LDS professing people spoke against him, deeply resentful that he did not praise the gadianton robbers that filled the judgement seats back then, and who now have near total management of the US Government.

    Wake up dear friend, cleanse the inner vessel by coming to your senses and understanding the warnings of the reality of massive conspiracies warned of from both ancient and modern prophets, including one “secret combination” which seeks to “overthrow the freedom of all nations, lands and countries.” It is not Osama, nor Saddam. This is a gentile based secret combination, nor an arab one.

  15. I havn’t read the book yet but am so anxious to. I have just recently been reading and learning and discussing with others info. on 9/11 and on the illuminati and on skull and bones and the Rothschild and Rockefeller families and other things. I have read several talks given by Ezra Taft Benson who talks about the socialist and communist conspiracys and he calls them a secret combination that is a very real threat to our country. Some of the talks are old (from the 1960’s) but I can see that what he warned about is happening.
    I reccomend finding the address that he gave to BYU on December 10 1963. It’s called “A Race Against Time”. Another one is Called “I Testify” from the November 1988 ensign. Also The May 1976 Ensign Has a confence address called “The Constitution” There are also some scriptures to look up. Pray when you read them to find out what it is teaching. Pray for eyes to see and ears to hear.
    The first one is Ether 8:18-25 “And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination even as they of old;which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man. And now I, Moroni do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites. And they have caused the destruction of this peopleof whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi. And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, untilthey shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengence upon them and yet he avenge them not. Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain-and the work, yea even the work of destruction come upon you, yea even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be. Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, WHEN YOU SHALL SEE THESE THINGS COME AMONG YOU THAT YESHALL AWAKE TO A SENSE OF YOUR AWFUL SITUATION, BECAUSE OF THIS SECRET COMBINATION WHICH SHALL BE AMONG YOU; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain;for they cry from the dust for vengence upon it, and also upon those who built it up. For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies;even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.”
    The other scripture that I read was D&C 88:77-81 “And I give unto you a commandment that you shall teach one another the doctrine of the kingdom. Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand; Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; THINGS WHICH ARE AT HOME, THINGS WHICH ARE ABROAD; THE WARS AND THE PERPLEXITIES OF THE NATIONS, AND THE JUDGEMENTS WHICH ARE ON THE LAND; AND A KNOWLEDGE ALSO OF COUNTRIES AND OF KINGDOMS-That ye may be prepared in all thingswhen I shall send you again to magnify the calling whereunto I have called you, and the mission with which I have commissioned you. BEHOLD I SENT YOU OUT TO TESTIFY AND WARN THE PEOPLE, AND IT BECOMETH EVERY MAN WHO HATH BEEN WARNED TO WARN HIS NEIGHBOR.”
    One other thing to consider is if we are prepared for the comming trials. Do we have our food storage? Are we spiritually prepared? Are we obeying the prophets? President Benson said in The Teachings Of Ezra Taft Benson pg 265 “Should the Lord decide at this time to cleanse the church-and the need for that cleansing seems to be increasing – a famine in this land of one year’s duration could wipe out a large percentage of slothful members, including some ward and stake officers. Yet we cannot say we have not been warned.”
    Have any of you noticed how many bishops and church leaders are stressing getting our food storage? I have lived in 5 wards in the past 5 years and in each ward they are talking about it and they are stressing it more and more each year. I think it is time to wake up and see the signs of the times and not be one of the slothful saints that President Benson was talking about. I am not saying that I think there is going to be a famine or something like that in the next few months, but I do think we need to be prepared.
    One last quote from President Benson “The devil knows that if the elders of Israel should ever wake up, they could step forth and help preserve freedom and extend the gospel. Therefore the devil has concentrated, and to a large extent successfully, in neutralizing much of the priesthood. He has reduced them to sleeping giants. (An Enemy Hath Done This, p. 275.)It is the devil’s desire that the Lord’s priesthood stay asleep while the strings of tyranny gradually and quietly entangle us until, like Gulliver, we awake too late and find that while we could have broken each string separately as it was put upon us, our sleepiness permitted enough strings to bind us to make a rope that enslaves us.For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it? (An Enemy Hath Done This, p. 313.)…..We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: “Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction” (Church Historian’s Office, Salt Lake City, July 19, 1840). (The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner, pp. 27-28.)

    Anyway I think that maybe all of this (9/11, the communism that President Benson talked about, the illuminati, and all those other conspiracys that we have mentioned) is linked. One thing that I should mention though is that I was just reading in the 2001 confrence address from President Hinkley called “The Times In Which We Live” and he said for American citizens to “stand solidly with the President of our nation” That is definately something to consider also. What do you think?

  16. I forgot to mention the book I’m wanting to read. Its “Hiding in Plane Sight”. Have you guys read it? What is the overall message of the book?

  17. One more thing. I don’t know what to think about the fact that President Benson and President Mckay have both spoken out so much about the secret combination of communism that is threatening to overtake our country, and the statement from President Hinkley to stand solidly with the president of our nation. We know that there is a lot of corruption in our government and that there is a huge secret combination in our country. I am giving a talk this sunday on the importance of listening to the prophet. Hinkley is the current prophet. I feel like 9/11 is an inside job, but I need to follow the prophet even though I don’t understand why, so I guess that for now I will stand by our president. Now another thought is that the church doesn’t take a stand politically or tell us how to vote or which presidents to like. Maybe we need to stand by him simply because we are at war and we need to support our country. Time of war is not the time to have a divided country. I don’t know what to think. I’m just rambling my thoughts. I would love to have some feedback.

  18. Ang, I have not read “Hiding in Plane Sight.”

    I love President’s Bensons works, but it is important to take things in context and interpret his words in modern context using today’s prophets.

    You are right, President Hinckley supports Bush and the regime change in Iraq. President Hinckley has given his moral and spiritual stamp of approval on the War on Terror efforts of President Bush. Personally, I give Bush an A for effort and a C/D for execution.

    Ang, 9/11 was not an inside job. Those who propagate and advance those lies are the worst kind of liars; it is extremely repugnant & perverse. Don’t believe it for a second. A BYU nutcase, Steve Jones, a leader in the “It’s an inside crowd” was put on paid leave because of his wacko stupidity. That alone ought to be warning enough to all LDS who fall into the trap of their specious conspiracies; conspiratorialist like him are not supported by the truth loving LDS Church.

    Conspiratorialist of the “It is an inside job” ilk are terror-deniers and are as heinous as holocaust-deniers; liars who fabricate garbage and peddle it as if it was gold. They operate in a realm devoid of data, reason, and truth. Avoid them like the plague.

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  19. ldspatriot, you have no room to stand when you use the ad hominem argument. You can’t argue the facts so you revert to name calling. Tell me how the government can lie, lie,lie, but when it comes to this “New Pearl Harbor” as they call 9/11 all of sudden they are credible. Elements of government have lied and covered up a whole slew of ergregious acts. They marched US soldiers through high concentrations of radiation to study the effects. This without the knowledge of the soldiers. THis is documented–government docs. Others were given high doses of LSD to study the effects–Also documented. We have the Tea Pot Dome scandal. The MK Ultra program, which deals with mind control and assassination is also declassified very henious.

    Blacks were given debilitating diseases just to study the effects-DOCUMENTED.

    100,00 Sefardic Jewish childen (Arab decent) were experimented upon which many died, in Israel. US Government Funded the whole thing.

    The Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us more fully into the Vietnam War has now been show to be a fraud. The Ph. Call with President Johnson and McNamara has been release and they even admit to such.

    JFK –don’t tell me you believe that whole impossible story concocted by the Warren COmmision. 80% of all Americans now believe there was a huge cover up there too.

    Watergate– No lies or cover up were perpetrated there, now were there?

    Iran Contra Scandal– Drug running and selling arms to Iran? I thought we were arming Iraq during those unforgettable years. This is all in the court records. Was there a cover up with this too? of course there was.

    Our leaders whom we are suppose to support and give honor to are the biggest criminals in the history of the world.

    Do your research and stop the name calling. Conspiritorialist then must include Moroni, Mormon, Joseph Smith, Moses Thatcher, John Taylor, Heber J. Grant, J. Reuben Clark Jr. , David O. Mckay, Ezra T. Benson. All of these men spoke of The Secret Combinations. Joseph Smith Identified them as our own Government.

    So, this flimsy argument you banty about by making Conspiracy Theorist tantamount to nutcases is disgusting.

  20. I just started reading from the top and already I was like WHAT! How is it a dishonor for those people who died in 9/11 to say that they died by the hand of an unseen group of powerful men behind the scenes with unlimited power and billions of dollars to push their deceptive lies through propaganda and media control. Why is it a dishonor if these people actually have the resources to pull it off and are more powerful and more vile than a small number of terrorists with box cutters.

    How can a passenger jet (flight 93) crash and not leave any parts of a plane larger than a phone book? And with all these parts combined you could probably put them together to make a kiddy pool because of the enormous lack of evidence. Look at other plane crashes, there are always parts of a plane left. They don’t just disintegrate.

    Watch video footage of controlled demolitions, and then ask yourself, how does a building built to withstand multiple impacts of planes larger than flight 75 crumble and fall at free-fall speeds with a steel structure core that would prevent such a thing from happening. Each layer would impact each other layer below slowing the collapse or causing the building to at least fall sideways, or in large connected pieces.

    Why does the government have to hide all the evidence of the plane crashes in Iron Mountain rather than letting the public see the evidence? And why is it that the flight recorders which were made to withstand crashes were never brought forth and given a credible examination? Devoid of data you say? They won’t even let you see it to know for yourself.

    If the Book of Mormon is a book written for our time, and its message is to help us identify the true enemies to freedom, and the fourth most discussed topic is the Gadianton Robbers who were addicted to power and control in the government and would obtain such by flatteries, lies, murder and deceit, how can we not be serious about these things. Read Ether 8 and tell me what your “interpretation” of that would be. Is he supposed to be talking at you and not directly to you.

    Pres. Benson talks about these Gadianton Robbers and says that there is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Moromon, it is conspiracy fact. And then he recommends that every american read a book called “None Dare Call it Conspiracy” by Gary Allen.

    I don’t think the government is as ignorant as you think they are when they go ahead and pass laws like the Patriot Act all in the name of peace, and then launch a pre-emptive war which in the Book of Mormon teaches that if you do so God cannot protect you. The invaders are always guilty. And then we get blow-back and we give the Arab world a reason to hate us. All of the sudden we are trading security for freedom. The so called terrorists killed 5,000 of our people and then we go overseas and establish military bases in their country so that anybody that has a beef with Americans ,because of what we have done to them in the last 15 years, can make an attempt at payback, and then of course we end up killing hundreds of thousands of them because we give guns to thousands of military brainwashed trigger happy young Americans who are just following orders. And not just follow orders, but openly look for someone to defy them so they can do what they deem is their duty. Obviously we are going to have a few thousand casualties ourselves in this pursuit and it is a waste. Of course the trade-off is more than unfare if they are recieving 100 casualties for every american casualty. We shouldn’t be there!!! In the end the blood of those who have died who were innocent will bring the sword of justice over our heads and we will all pay the price.

    Here’s a quote from Joseph Smith for your gee wiz collection.

    “The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands until other nations will say “Let’s divide up the lands of the United States”, then the people of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided. . .”

    What you have is apathy. Its time to cure yourself. Self-educate, and don’t forget to read the Book of Mormon.

  21. Yo! This is from David Rockefellers book.

    “We are grateful for the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the World if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years, but, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
    -David Rockefeller

    Are you kidding me? Need I say more.

  22. I thought I would share this quote by Hinckley which I think sums up his misunderstandings of things he said before and what we are going to face in the future. It is said no where the Prophets views on current events where tragedy takes place are perfect, but I tend to believe the reflection on the past can be.

    “The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

    “I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras.”

  23. Dear l.d.s.patriot,
    Forget all the theory & the foregoing comments etc. just go back to the videos of the twin towers falling down (& tower 7) & have a look for yourself. Then ask yourself if it is possible that they could fall down as per the official version?
    It isn’t hard.

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