Bush can continue NSA warrantless surveillance program

Captain Moroni must be smiling at this decision because he too used broad and sweeping executive war “power and means to deliver themselves from their enemies”.

This is a good court decision and big win for Bush and his efforts to defend America from Jihadist secret combinations.

Court Temporarily OKs Domestic Spying:

The Bush administration can continue its warrantless surveillance program while it appeals a judge’s ruling that the program is unconstitutional, a federal appeals court ruled Wednesday.

The president has said the program is needed in the war on terrorism; opponents argue it oversteps constitutional boundaries on free speech, privacy and executive powers.

Hugh Hewitt comments:

This is a routine formulation of the classic test for injunctive relief prior to a decision on the merits, and the reversal of the trial judge’s ruling on this standard is a near certain indication that the 6th Circuit will be agreeing with the president on his authority to order the NSA to conduct warrantless surveillance of al Qaeda contacting its operatives in the United States.

No doubt Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Murtha and Judiciary Committee Chairman Conyers will stop at nothing to shackle the president’s ability to conduct this surveillance.


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Posted on October 5, 2006, in News and politics. Bookmark the permalink. 14 Comments.

  1. You are completely wrong in relating Captain Moroni to President Bush! Wow! I hope you repent soon of this ignorance. In Captain Moroni’s situation he only did “warrantless spying” on a KNOWN enemy. The lamanites had already attacked him and so there was already a clearly identified enemy… in the case of George Bush they are simply spying on people who are not known enemies, only supposed enemies, many of which are not enemies at all. There is a difference. Please stop associate Moroni, who was a saint, with W Bush who is a Lucifarian.

  2. LDS Church President Spencer W. Kimball in an address entitled “The False Gods We Worship,” given in honor of the US Bicentennial, in June of 1976 said:

    “When I review the performance of this people…I am appalled and frightened…We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel—ships, planes, missiles, fortifications—and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become antienemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan’s counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior’s teaching:

    “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    “That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.” (Matt. 5:44–45.)

  3. Captain Moroni certainly is not smiling at this wickedness.

    This is intillectual bankruptcy. If Bush were like Captain Moroni, the US borders would be sealed and that would have occured on 9/12/2001.

    How is it that some love to have a president break law, and trash the Constitutional protections of Citizens, while ensuring that aliens walk into this country every night to the tune of 3,000 alone just through the Tucson Corridor.

    Stunning. The North American Union under way, and I read here that Bush is like Captain Moroni?

    Hugh Nibley would slam this down, and in fact does so with his Book of Mormon commentary on war.

    Let’s suppose Bush is a good, righteous, god fearing man, and removes constitutional protections and now can label anyone an “enemy combatant” regardless of due process; what then when Hillary comes into power in two years, or some other numbskull? What then?

    I would almost question you LDS patriot at truly being LDS, as there are “tares among the wheat and wolves within the flock” as J. Reuben Clark warned of in 1949. Then Pres. Lee warned, there will be “inroads” into the church, where we will see some “professing membership” but who were “secretly plotting…”

    More and More these types are revealing themselves. Bob Lonsberry in the Salt Lake City radio market has exposed himself as such too many times.

  4. Captain Moroni and George Bush??? They’re diametric. Just for starters, just look how they treat prisoners. You don’t need to go any further than that.

  5. Going on, what is called ‘The Bush Doctrine’, is essentially a doctrine of pre-emptive warfare. Read the pertinent passages from the Book of Mormon copied below and find out what the Lord thinks of such a doctrine.

    For those of you who are LDS, Elder L. Tom Perry, in the October 2005 Conference said: “Among the lessons we learn from the Book of Mormon are the cause and effect of war and under what conditions it is justified.”

    So what does the Book of Mormon say about the conditions for a just war? Here are the relevant passages:

    NEPHI 3:20-21: “Now the people said unto Gidgiddoni: Pray unto the Lord and let us go up upon the mountains and into the wilderness, that we may fall upon the robbers and destroy them in their own lands. But Gidgiddoni saith unto them: The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them, the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together, and we will not go against them, but will wait till they shall come against us; therefore, as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them unto our hands.”

    ALMA 43:26, 46-47: [Moroni preparing for an attack from the Lamanites coming into Nephite lands]: 43: “And [Moroni] caused that all the people in that quarter of the land should gather themselves together to battle against the Lamanites, to defend their lands and their country, their rights and their liberties: therefore they were prepared against the time of the coming of the Lamanites”. 46: “And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: Inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.” 47: “And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country and their rights, and their religion.”

    ALMA 48:14-15: 14: “Now the Nephites were taught to defend themselves against their enemies, even to the shedding of blood if it were necessary; yea, and they were also taught never to give an offense, yea, and never to raise the sword except it were against an enemy, except it were to preserve their lives.” 15: “And this was their faith, that by so doing God would prosper them in the land, or in other words, if they were faithful in keeping the commandments of God that he would prosper them in the land; yea, warn them to flee, or to prepare for war, according to their danger.”

    MORMON 3:8-10, 14-16: 8-10: “And in the three hundred and sixty and second year [the Lamanites] did come down again to battle. And we did beat them again, and did slay a great number of them, and their dead were cast into the sea. And now, because of this great thing which my people, the Nephites, had done, they began to boast in their own strength, and began to swear before the heavens that they would avenge themselves of the blood of their brethren who had been slain by their enemies. And they did swear before the heavens, and also by the throne of God, that they would go up to battle against their enemies and would cut them off from the face of the land. And it came to pass that I, Mormon, did utterly refuse from this time forth to be a commander and a leader of this people, because of their wickedness and abomination.” 14-16: “And when they had sworn by all that had been forbidden them by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, that they would go up unto their enemies to battle and avenge themselves of the blood of their brethren, behold the voice of the Lord came unto me, saying: Vengeance is mine, and I will repay; and because this people repented not after I had delivered them, behold they shall be cut off from the face of the earth.”

    MORMON 4:1, 4-6: 1: “And now it came to pass that in the three hundred and sixty and third year, the Nephites did go up with their armies to battle against the Lamanites, out of the land Desolation.” 4-6: And it was because the armies of the Nephites went up unto the Lamanites that they began to be smitten; for were it not for that, the Lamanites could have had no power over them.” But, behold, the judgements of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed.”

    Brad Larsen

  6. Typical of attitudes among LDS regarding the Iraq war is one expressed by Bob Lonsberry, talk show host on KNRS ‘Family Values’ radio to a largely LDS audience, who apparently love the man. He gave what he thought was the real reason we are in Iraq. The following paraphrases what he said: “You know how difficult it is to kill a lot of flies, one by one with a fly swatter. Well, it’s much easier to put some s— out, attract a WHOLE bunch of them, and then kill them all with a single blow! That’s why we’re in Iraq. We attack Iraq. Terrorists from the entire Moslem world will come there to fight us and we can then kill them all w/out having to search them out, one by one!!” So much for Captain Moroni Lonsberry. Moroni would be appalled at such wickedness. The sad thing is, so many LDS lap it up.

  7. Comparing Captain Moroni and Bush? …WAKE UP!!!!

  8. Shaun, of http://www.awakeandarise.org/, where to begin?

    First, go to sleep and sit down, i.e., perhaps then you will wake up from your illogicality and sit down from your ridiculous and false “insider” soap box.

    Second, you suffer from SevenJonesitis: a form of 9/11 post traumatic stress disorder which causes severe denial of facts and a mental delusionary disease attacking the part of the brain used for reason and logic, causing irrational and illogical governmental paranoia and terror-denial.

    Third, you smack & stink of ignorance, arrogance, self-righteousness, and delusions of being Christ as you are keen to judge & condemn anyone and everyone who disagrees with you…it’s called pride, the cardinal and catalyst sin to apostasy…you ought to repent before it cost you your soul.

    Fourth, Steven Jones is a false teacher. Bush is a good, honorable, even godly man. You’ve cast your lot on the wrong side. You’d know that if you “treasureth up my word”, i.e., Gods word through our living Prophet, President Hinckley, instead of your love affair and proof texting of dead prophets like E. T. Benson. Only the truth can set you free, and am pleased to deliver the truth to you one post at a time.

    Fifth, Jones wrote near the end of the article, “The case for accusing ill-trained Muslims of causing all the destruction on 9-11-01 is far from compelling. It just does not add up.”

    Dr. Jones is a terror-denier. He has accused Americans in the US Govt. to be the culprit and cause of 9/11. To be short, he has made a false witness against Americans in the US Govt., i.e., shameless breaking the 9th commandment.

    Dr. Jones work insults all the immediate (those who died) victims of 9/11, their family and friends, and the rest of the US and the world in general.

    Dr. Jones work promotes that Americans in the US Govt. are the enemy, not Jihadists.

    Dr. Jones work promotes confusion and dissension and division when it should be a time of unity.

    Dr. Jones work puts the blame on the wrong group, thus making the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent; i.e., thus victimizing the victims again by denying the guilty party, and insults the vital need for justice by holding accountable the guilty party; blaming America, exonerating Jihadists.

    Dr. Jones work is a waste of precious time and effort. Those that buy into the “inside job” theory would have little motive to learn about militant Islam and the Jihadists who are the real culprits of 9/11. Thus, the real threat, the true enemy, is not understood, and such ignorance leaves us vulnerable to further attacks. We need the moral and intellectual clarity and courage to define and defeat the real enemy, not a fictitious enemy; to know thy enemy is crucial to defeating ones enemy.

    Lastly, being that you are an apostle for the false prophet Steven Jones, when his work is rejected by BYU/LDS Church, i.e., rejection of the “insider” theory, what would you do? To put in another way, when BYU/LDS Church officially renounces Jones as a false teacher, would you:

    A) Repent for following a false teacher
    B) Apostasies from LDS Church
    C) other

    http://www.911myths.com

    http://www.debunking911.com

    http://www.debunking911myths.com

    http://www.geocities.com/adaniels700/DiscerningTruth911.html

    See The Dangers of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
    http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/21bd2174-e9d8-4cad-839a-80d4e788c7f
    5

    See Beware the Truthers. Don’t Ignore Them:
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/column.aspx?UrlTitle=beware_the_truthers_
    dont_ignore_them&ns=MaryKatharineHam&dt=09/11/2006&page=1

  9. There you go again LDS patriot. Why don’t you have the stones to directly address the points of Steven Jones with which you disagree. He has made some rather specific assertions, but it seems the best you can do is make gratuitous assertions and call names. If I were you, I’d be ashamed of my own ignorance and lack of research. Calling Steven Jones a liar 5 different ways does not make your point nearly as well as telling us what he actually lied about and giving evidenc of those lies.

    I’m sure you’re a busy guy, what with family responsibilites and a job and a church calling, but would it strain you too much to find out what Steven Jones actually claims in his research? Just take an hour on the internet, see what Dr. Jones says then do a little research to see if its a lie. You do have internet access don’t you?

    Being a patriot means to support ones country, not to support whatever corrupt regime happens to be in power. I think you’ve mistaken the definition of the word ‘patriot’ with the definition for ‘lackey.’ It would be more apropriate to call you LDS Lackey. I haven’t read one word from you that is critical of any action of the Bush regime.

    I guess torture is O.K. as long as its done by the Bush administration. Destruction of our God-given constitutional liberties is great as long as its for our protection and done by the Bush administration. I’m sure you’d be one of the first to support a government plan to ‘detain’ Muslims indefintely, just as long as the plan was created by the Bush administration. Heck, you’d probably support the next stage of the plan that involves the extermination fo Muslims. See where I’m going here?

    The reason dictators like Hitler come to power is not because they have the overwhelming support of of an evil electorate, but rather because they have the support of a misinformed, or, as in your case, uninformed electorate. Before Germany became a true dictatorship, Hitler passed a number of laws, ostensibly for the security and protection of the country and its people. These laws were later used to terrorize the people of Germany and imprison opponents of the government. We see the exact same pattern occurring in our country right now. If you agree that our founding fathers were inspired when they wrote the constitution then you cannot claim that Bush is similarly inspired when he and his administration try to destroy that same constitution.

    —Here’s the point where you sit down at your keyboard and type some vacuous and unresearched response in an effort to prove me wrong—

    But wait–before you do all that, I’d like to issue a challenge to you: I challenge you to get 4 things. First, get a copy of the U.S. constitution. You’ll probably find a copy in the back of a U.S. government textbook on your bookshelf, sandwiched in between your copies of I Love George W. and the TV Guide. Second, get copies of the Bush’s Detainee bill, The Patriot Act, and H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006. Finally, read all 4 documents and cry like I have, if you have any sense at all. As far as I’m concerned, the verdict’s still out on that (the sense part, that is).

    I’ll tell you this much, though, any man who seeks to destroy our constitution as Bush has is neither a patriot or a God-fearing man. Bush had destroyed, through the Military Comissions Act, the writ of habeas corpus, which is one of the most important of our freedoms. See this link if you need a clue as to why its important: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UntkKtyUKk&eurl=

    If you are capable of doing the research and responding intelligently, then I look forward to your response, but until yu are capable of such enlightened discourse I’ll refer to you as LDS lackey. I eagerly anticipate the day you will actually earn the moniker ‘LDS Patriot.’ Judging by the posts, many of your readers eagerly await such a day as well.

  10. michael, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander…I don’t think you deserve the name “michael”…Michael is a militant archangel, the leader of heaven’s armies…until you earn the name, I shall refer to you as michaelless.

    I do address directly what I disagree with Steven Jones on; his conclusions! He is an idiot, plain and simple.

    Fact of the matter is that others far more qualified in demolitions and structural engineering have already proven Jones to be wrong. No amount of facts will help “truthers” who already buy into his absurd & fictitious “insider” notions.

    And I reject your claim I’ve called “Jones a liar 5 different ways”…more like 18+…I’m shooting for 100+. As I’ve told you before, I have read all his works, and like anti-Mormon works, it’s garbage. And trust me, I’d be more ashamed to be an “insider” for it is the hallmark of “ignorance and lack of research”.

    And I had to laugh and your name calling, “LDS Lackey,”; not true in the least, but funny! As to your rants and diatribes of what you think I think about Muslims, you are seriously mistaken.

    And no, comparing Bush’s paths to Hitler’s is indeed, “vacuous and unresearched.” Harsh techniques as prolonged sleep deprivation are not torture.

    And I’ve read the U.S. constitution five times in the last two years, thanks for sharing. Likewise, I’ve read several times all of these: Bush’s Detainee bill, The Patriot Act, and H.R. 6166: Military Commissions Act of 2006. You mentioned when you read these you cried…because I’m a sympathetic kind of guy, give me your address and I’ll send you some Kleenex and keyboard wipes (nothing is worse than slobber-n-snot on a keyboard I’m sure).

    Your evaluation that Bush has destroyed “habeas corpus” is factually in error. Go back and re-read the above bills, you’ve obviously missed much. I’d especially recommend you understand the terms UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT, CO-BELLIGERENT, LAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT & ALIEN & “alien unlawful enemy combatants.” http://thomas.loc.gov/

  11. Michael is a militant archangel, the leader of heaven’s armies…until you earn the name, I shall refer to you as michaelless.

    There you go again, misrepresenting holy figures. Michael is not a “militant” archangel. It was not Michael who started the war in heaven. It was Satan. Satan is the militant one. I understand your desire to try and stretch the truth so you can justify our aggressive actions, but in the end, the truth speaks for itself. And Michael is right, you’ve misrepresented holy individuals and painted them as corrupted warriors.

  12. Ok LDS Patriot here it is: HR 6166, section 7

    (e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.

    (2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.’.

    So it is O.K. to you that a right formerly granted to all in this country (the writ of habeas corpus) has been stripped from aliens. It is ok for them to rot in jail without charges indefinitely as long as they are designated ‘aliens.’ Habeas corpus has been in existence since the Magna Charta (circa 1215) and was created because it was well known that the ability to imprison someone indefinitely without charges is the cornerstone of tyranny. You say its fine because it only applies to aliens and I say you’re a moron if you think thats the end of it.

    I’m looking forward to the future bill or executive order that states thats U.S. citizens declared enemies of the state or enemy combatants will lose their citizenship. That is all it will take to render the constitution completey useless.

    Oh yeah, and that separation of powers thing that supposedly protects us from one of the branches of government gaining too much power is eroded by this bill as well, since the bill prohibits the judicial branch from its traditional role of interpreting the law (see #2 above).

    First They Came for the Jews

    First they came for the Jews
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for the Communists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a Communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists
    and I did not speak out
    because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left
    to speak out for me.

    Pastor Martin Niemöller

  13. heh, dude, did you even read the actual scripture? perhaps you should look at the actual scripture and trust it over the common dictionary.
    http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dan/10
    13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, aMichael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

    uh, I don’t see “a militant archangel” anywhere in that. Moreover, when you do a search in the scriptures, not once does the word “militant” ever appear. Hmmm……are you going to apologize for your insult?

  14. redhatmandan, you are wrong, twice:

    First, dictionary states:

    Mi‧chael  /ˈmaɪkəl/ –noun
    1. a militant archangel. Dan. 10:13.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/michael

    Second, dictionary states:

    Mil-i-tant  /mɪlɪtənt/ –adjective
    1. vigorously active and aggressive, esp. in support of a cause: militant reformers.
    2. engaged in warfare; fighting.–noun
    3. a militant person.
    4. a person engaged in warfare or combat.

    Michael qualifies as militant in all four ways above. That you equated militant with “evil” is your misunderstanding of the word.

    The proof I am correct and your are in error is found in Rev. 12:7: And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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